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I played at PP for a while. I am an experienced poker player but after doubling my initial investment in one day, I went on a never-ending losing streak. I thought it was because I just needed to improve my game so I read some more and practiced etc. only to find myself still losing consistently. Then I played a real holdem game with actual people and slaughtered them. In this live game, I found myself being overly timid with strong hands because I was so used to getting beat on the river. In the live game, unlikely crap didn't happen. When poor players went all-in on garbage hands, they lost. Not so online. People can say what they want but you can't ignore observable facts. I think the card distribution odds on Party Poker is a lot like flipping a coin twenty times and getting the same result every time. It can't happen. My theory is that some players have a higher likelyhood of drawing face cards on the pre-flop where as others are more likely to get low cards. Hence the streakiness of the play. It's probably still random to a certain degree but stacked in favor of players who have just joined. This shouldn't be such a suprise. If newbies walked into a real poker game and bet the way they do online, they would lose so fast they would never play again, which would mean lower rakes for the casino. There is a term in psychology for blaiming everyone but yourself for failure. I try to avoid doing that at all costs. But if these guys really are shifting the odds, then not only is it unfair but it makes good players feel like they aren't really that good or just cursed with bad luck. I don't play poker to have fun, I play to win money and it's unfortunate that I can't do it online.

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A house edge of 64.01 per cent. That's what the above profit numbers work out to. Al Capone's numbers racket had nothing on these guys. With the game so stacked, there are thousands of players who are going to be very surprised in a real game that their runner, runner straights don't occur very often. I rated it a 1 only because I like some of the hats that I got to wear.

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Im not sure what to think. I reloaded 50 bucks, and lost it all in about 6hrs of play last night. I was playing extremely tight on the 25nl games. And when I mean tight I mean calling with face cards and suited connectors only and will allways fold with a raise preflop. I had been dealt at least AA's 3 times in 6hr of play, and didnt even win once and lost about 22 dollars. The rest I lost to idiots going all in with there flush or straight draws and me calling with a set or 2 pair. Unreal.. The site sucks, not me..

OK, we all get mad and go full tilt when we loose. And yes there are some bad beat hands out there. And yes some newbies will play a poor hand and catch the river. But when I played partypoker.com and played at a $100.00 tournament with over 300 players (paying top 18 spots) and got down to 26 players, I assumed all left were smart-no risk players- no newbies left. Here is my hand, you tell me if you think partypoker.com puts in house players to take EVEN more money from us. With 26 players left I was chip leader!I am dealt A (spades) K (spades)I bet 10,000 chips pre flopI get 5 callersflop comes A (hearts K diamonds Q spadesI bet 30.000 (trying to slow play) get two calls4th street is a J spadesI go all in with my last 70,000 chipsOne guy calls....I have AA KK with Q kicker, possible flush and possible ROYAL FLUSHTHE ONLY THING I AM WORRIED ABOUT IS IF HE HAS 10-J DOWN CARDS AND FLOPPED THE NUT STRAIGHT, OR STAYED IN WITH A 10-? HOPEING FOR A JACK TO MAKE HIS STRAIGHTHe calls me, the river is a 5 of clubs.HE HAS POCKETS 5'S WINS WITH TRIP 5'SYes a bad beat, but would you play ALL YOUR CHIPS on a 55, when there is a AKQJ of spades on the table, and every card in the table is an over card, and a possible flush and a possible straight and a possible royal flush? The only card he could catch to win the hand.FINAL COMMENT – If I owned a poker site, and could design house / computer players to win even 25% of the cash tables or tournaments… I WOULD…. WOULD’NT YOU?

I mentioned before, I always felt at Party that the ONLY card that could beat me was ALWAYS the card that beat me.. it was a horrible feeling that something was really really wrong w/ that site.

i have lost 3000 in 3 months by winning 3 times my money one day ,and losing 4 times my money the next with the same cards and same strategies..i was ready to give up when my girlfired decided to try to open her own account ..miraculously she won the first 4 sit and goes she entered hitting all her high cards and winnig when she should have with top 2 pair or trips or even flushes ..then strangly she lost all her money to bad beats ..hitting aces and losing to 3 kings, hitting flushes and losing to full houses ..so we redeposited and sure enough ..she cant win a damn hand with pocket aa kk qq ..she cant hit a draw and i tried to take over when she was chip leader and i hit 4 bad beats in a row ..not in a row but the 4 times in a row i entered the hand ..its proof that you will win alot at first and then chase after the high for the rest of the time your on PP just like coacain , the first high is the only one that gets ya high ..after that its a downward spiral my opinion ..terrible customer service ..lousy odds and even worse losign streaks that are not normal ..even a bad player should occasially win with aces and kings..not ..

Not even worth rating it is so ridiculous, I want to know what site owhynot, joined where price waterhouse audits the games, anything has got to be better than the party rig.

I think Party Poker It's one of the best site's i've play at because it's got all kind of came, especially my favorites, and if you dont have money to play for real money you can play for play money and you can also play different kind of tournaments which i like.

I play extremely tight (face cards, suited connectors, or high pocket pairs) and I am convinced that PP is rigged. The bad beats that occur regularly are outrageous. If you see a pair flop, you are guaranteed that someone has a boat. Almost all of the flops have straight and flush draws simultaneously. If you have a K high flush, muck it because someone will have the A. If you have an A high flush and a pair is showing, muck it because someone has the boat. If I don't have the stone, cold, gorrilla nuts I don't stay in because someone else will have it. It has almost gotten predictable.For example, I'm playing right now: I'm dealt KK and Ah,Kd,3c flops. I say to myself, "Lay it down because you know what's coming" but of course I don't. 4th street=4s and River=5c. I fold on the river and see the pot taken down with a straight. I have played for over two hours and have called on less than 7 hands. Calculating EVs and pot odds is pointless because some "fish/bot" will always make his 4 out draw. Playing the hands that Sklansky recommends will lead to being slowly bled to death. I don't know if the other sites are better but I'm going to find out.

ppsux:Paradise Poker has legit auditing w/ PWC and seems fair enough to me for only playing it 4 weeks - been a constant winner and cashed out every week there after loosing $5000 in four months on Party PokerHS_PP:I mentioned before (but forgot to sign the post), with Party the only card that can beat you is always the card that beats you - its a fact.. I feel your pain, my brother. Sign up w/ Paradise, and you'll see the different immediately w/ your first hand A/K... dont be afraid to play it!!! lol

I would love to think that some sites are better than others. But if I was a casino exec and I knew that I could buy a program where you could easily set the exact odds, I don't know if I would spend the $ to program my own. Price, Waterhouse also audits a lot of the on line casinos. The odds there are no better, maybe worse. They are accountants, not programmers. I hire accounting firms for my business. Maybe I should hire them and find out what they actually investigate.

PP is RIGGED period. BIAS toward new players. They are not regulated. So they keep, money in the hands of new players. Which makes sense business wise. Make people believe they can make money at poker. Then transfer the money to new players. The old ones will keep pouring money thinking there on a bad streak. My advise, play for 3 month. DON'T CASH OUT anything. When you reach 2k to 3k cash out everything and never come back. My mistake : made 3426.16, cashed out 1426.16 ...oh boy...oh boy... from then on ... one way down !!!! drop 1500.00 before I woke up and read other comments here ... finally cash out the last 500$. I though I was on a bad streak (1 month)…wrong, I changed site and went to the Prima Network. Steady profit again just like before PP. I will try the site again with another name since you get better odds in the beginning, I'll keep you posted !!! …If you try it remember, don’t cash out, and when you do… “RUN” !!! See you there and I wish you some Good “Beginners” Luck !

I just want to say I have a program that plays party poker on its own.It tells me how to play what to play the odds of winning or losing I can over ride it but why would I want to do that when I can go grocery shopping while my computer sits at home and plays for me.When it comes to money cheating is inevitable.Its getting harder because I can tell im up against a computer vs computer poker war.Hint holdem is played with 4 decks. Cash in I dare you!

Played in Atlantic City this past week for about 6 hours at the same table. Could count the # of straights and flushes I saw the entire session on one hand. Why is it that at Party Poker it seems you see one or the other at least once every 4 or 5 hands? Strange if you ask me.

I am launching a site in which people who believe they have been manipulated by Partpoker.com can come to and we can make a possible legal case for this. I believe certain things are rigged on this site for larger rakes. Everything they have is on record so we are going after them and i'll demand to see everything. E-mail me/send me an instant msg, i am on AIM with [email]USmarines0311@aol.comI[/email] have a web designer on retainer for the matter. E-mail me for details or to donate towards the construction of the site.

I sent partypoker.com numerous e-mails about 7, arguing with them that the site is rigged and that comps are given to certain players. After getting 7 e-mails in return of "sorry's" i sent one more and guess what. After saying I will push this matter further and seek additional outside help THEY CREDITED ME MONEY. Corruption. Pure and simple. They'll pay you off so there are no problems.I just got the e-mail"However, we have complied with your request for this last time as a sign of good faith and have gone ahead issuing you a bonus of $10 (on your last deposit) to your account. We request you to please check and confirm the same.Please be informed, we will be coming up with new promotions, which will be communicated to you via e-mail. You can always check the "News and Events" section of our website to know more about the exciting offers we have for you."

Also The majority of players on PP.com are underage. They can't verify anything. again send me an e-mail at [email]usmarines0311@aol.com[/email] or instant msg me at usmarines0311 on aim. Something has to be done about this. Re read my above 2 posts for details.

i think you guys are being a little paranoid here. if youre convinced that its rigged, then pull your money out, and walk away. you are making the decision to play every hand. and you claim badbeat, but keep playing. cut your losses and play somewhere you feel comfortable playing. i have sent pp emails telling them, 'dont bother, we both know its a scam'. i keep playing though. i originally went in the hole to 650 bucks (not 5000 like these other lying focks), badbeat after badbeat, but for the last two months i have been on a steady incline. i have cashed out for 240 bucks, leaving me with 50 to start over, and i currently have that at 160. admittedly, the badbeats have taken their toll, and i have resigned myself to playing $6 sitngos. i also play open games sometimes. but i consistently place, and make money instead of losing it. in addition, its obvious there is a fix, you have

to adjust your play. i readjusted, and you have to consider many things, too many to list. but its not just the cards, its an array of variables. and play a good game. in the LONG RUN, it will pay off. i have a simple research system i use to study my play. in every hand i am in that involves an allin, i apply a 4 number system to the hand. i record the hand number, then i apply a number to indicate which best suits the hand: (these numbers reflect position at the exact time of allin, whether preflop, on turn, etc.) 1. i lead, i lose, 2. i lead, i win, 3. opponent leads, opp loses, 4. opp leads, opp wins. its useful in as it helps to study how many badbeats you get. also, it helps to show you if you are making the right moves at the time of allin. for instance, since i started, i have 91 entries. 73 times, i led at the time of allin. i was beaten 23 out of 73 times by the time the river hit. so 50 times, it held up. the point is, try a simple system like this. recording the hand number, you can always complain and cite specific hands if you so choose. get it on paper, and study your play. figure what youre doing wrong, or maybe it just seems worse than it is. and dont be fooled thinking higher buyins net better players. i am playing low limit because ive been slapped around with badbeats. be smart, and stop thinking your pocket10s are good with a qj out on the damn board! i know when i play, i am playing a player, and a damn computer. if you play smart, play smartER. dont go ignorant on me here people.

I just play with play money - just fooling around. I was playing Omaha 5/10 and had an ace high flush, but the pot got awarded to a player with 3 of a kind! It happened again 2 hands later - I had another ace high flush, and the pot got awarded to another player with a straight. Very weird. Anyone else notice this kind of thing? I definitely won't be playing with real money now.

Just a comment to BK, maybe you don't know the rules of Omaha. I reacted to the same thing before I read the rules. Only 2 cards counts from your hand, together with the 3 best on the table.

I tend to agree with all the posts that say Party Poker is fixed. I have lost a ton of money in about 7 months, playing the best hands and getting beat on the river with garbage. Why would a real player stay to the river with several raises and then make their set of 2's on the river? It seems like alot of players are bots. I have stopped playing this site and switched to a different one. I have also joined a propping site that pays you 100-110% rake rebate. I am now making money and the play is better. If you are interested in trying what I'm doing drop me an email and I can fill you in with the details. [email]fafastern@aol.com[/email]

PokerStars, PartyPoker WHATEVER! They are painstakingly similar in just about all areas. I have played at both for a lengthy period now. To pick one as a favorite over the other would be bias. I play brick and mortar at a nearby casino in Niagara Falls, NY. It's only 25 minutes from my home. I have been playing Poker for years now. For all you numbers people, I am sure you'll agree with me on most of the following issues.1. Number of hands vs. number of badbeats. Of course you are going to see some strange calls, badbeats, all-ins and you're also going to win and lose in roller coaster fashion while playing Poker online, because online play is literally 10 times faster than brick and mortar. With that in mind and considering you see 10 times as many hands per hour of play, you are going to see many more "against all odds" plays. You will also witness more "badbeats" and more ignorant play. If you calculate TOTAL number of hands for both brick and online play you would arrive at the same outcome..2. Badbeats happen online, occurs at my Casino just the same! I was recently playing in a No Limit game, brick and mortar, I had pocket Aces, the game was low key, and I would rate it fairly loose. I am in late position, 3 players before me just call, (no signs of slow play) I have only the blinds to consider, I decide to make them pay to see the flop, I push to $300 to avoid getting caught slow playing myself. Small blind drops as do the other 3 shooters, Big Blind calls! OK, he is proud of his pocket pair, that's precisely what I want. Assuming all flush and straight draws properly removed themselves from the hand we see the flop. Comes Ace, Five, Seven (rainbow). I shove my remaining stack in, about $360, three rockets, wow I am counting the pot already. BB calls me! OK, I have a rich stubborn wanna be poker player that is playing pride not Poker! Fourth was a 2 and river was an 8. This so-called Poker player had a 4 6 off!! No misprint! A 4 6o! I had to stop counting "my" pot and relinquish it to BB on what has to be the worst "badbeat" in my Poker career! This guy yanked a straight out of the Poker Heavens! Wouldn't have been as painful if he would have made a full house with a medium pair but, 4 6o! Get outta town! Sure, he is ignorant in Poker, sure he will drop his bankroll, (probably the same day) but I had to take the hit at the moment. I had to go home and complain to the gambling god's, "why me"? My point, Badbeats are just that, Bad! I have never found any good in a badbeat yet. They can and will happen online and in brick and mortar just the same. 3. Rigging online; Not happening. Why would these (PS & PP) highly profitable online poker sites have to rig the play? Poker has taken this country and the entire free world for that matter by storm! They are certainly not hurting for players. They win no matter what you do! So why risk being evaluated by professional companies and being tagged as "rigged"? What does occur and "player beware" is the most basic cheating, player collusion and phone or Instant Messaging cheating. That happens at brick and mortar as well. Physical signals at brick and mortar are commonplace. I have complained to Pokerstars about player collusion in single table sits. They informed me of their state of the art software that detects the frequency of players playing together, above average. The query they could not respond to was, "phone collusion" and the ongoing Instant Messaging problem. That I'm afraid is up to the individual player to detect and duly note in the "player notes". There are high speed areas to cramp the cheats style, but I doubt that has any real effect on the outcome.Pokerstars or Partypoker. . . .pick your site. Stay focused, absorb the good with the bad, have confidence in your ability and shake off those badbeats, it's all part of the game! One word of advice, playing in large money rooms most definitely increases the probability of collusion, etc. Stay in smaller priced rooms and enjoy yourself. Don't quit your day jobs either! I can be yelled at, [email]PaulsGTO@adelphia.net[/email]

Alright i hear what you are saying Paul but how do you explain the unusual cards that come up on the board at most of these sites-like aces seem to come up every freakin hand seems like if someone needs a card and he has the dog hand it comes up for him thats the rigging that I think happens all the time

rockhard: exactly correct, as I said before, I couldn't shake the feeling that the only card that could beat me was always the card that beat me, even though pre-flop I had the nuts..Many (not all) of these online poker rooms have nothing to loose - they will juice cards and seed their own players w/o any concern for their consequences because of the same reason: the fact that they shouldnt do it is the exact reason they can do it - they have more people signing up and depositing than they know what to do with... they are not going out of business any time soon. And, of course, they are based outside of USA, so they answer to no US authority..

paul, dont be so ignorant. to understand why they would rig their game, simply apply the concept of greed. enough is never enough. this site is most definitely rigged. i dont need to list my hands, but i am in the midst of a three day river beat bonanza. 6 outta 9 have been unlikely river beats. ive given up on complaining though, just keep playing through it, hoping not to make any more deposits

i agree that party poker is INCREDIBLY shady. I cashed out like 300 in 2 days and havent cashed out more than 75 in the last 3 months the bad beats happen all the time and are sometimes the biggest BS u have ever seen (guys making runner runner flushes to beat trip aces and such)mayb im imagining it but pp has a lot more river suckouts than pokerstars, pacificpoker or ultimatebet. on the flip side, limit .5-1 is often a place where $ can b made cuz even if u get sucked out on u can only lose a limited amount and the playrs there suck. i think pp IS rigged but also if u play the right limits and tables, u can win