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06-02-09, 11:55 AM
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So - I thought I would play a higher stakes tourney to see if the play was any better or the action was any lessed juiced. I think not - the hands below are within a 20 minute period.
Hand one - the miracle two outer on the river screws pocket aces Hand Two - the miracle runner runner screws pocket aces and rewards a really poor call Hand Three- ME this time and based on the above I am scared to death. Get A-K on the button - small raise. Flop hits the Ks, 10h, 5h. Guy who called UTG bets 150, guy in cutoff calls, I pop to 500. Snap call, snap call. So I think - WTF - maybe one guy with KQ and one guy with two hearts and a draw. NOW - I know you're thinking I gotta shove - but everyone at the table had been calling draws all the way down (i.e., no one folded regardless of what the odds were). Turn gave nothing to anybody. A little harmless 5 of diamonds. Checks to me and I bet another $500 figuring - WTF - if the flush comes I'm going to get paid. Call- Call. River is a 5 of clubs - check, check to me. I'm thinking that this is got to be a great card for me. If someone had pocket 55 they would have bet by now. The flush was dead. No foking way someone has a single 5 in their hand. Fok it - I'll check assuming that this is FT afterall. Show of hands. UTG had 9 of diamonds, 10 of diamonds. So this guy had middle pair, crappy kicker, wrong suit, but goes all the way to the river. Guy next to me had Jh, 5h. Missed his flush but hit runner, runner 5s. I lose. Thank God I went against my instinct and didn't bet the river at least. Have no foking idea why he didn't bet his set when he hit it. I eventually went out of the tourney 30 minutes later - had pocket 99 - flopped a set. Got called by 88 who ended up four flushing me. SO - if you were wondering if it is any different at higher stakes - NO! HAND 1 ============================================== Full Tilt Poker Game #12576696746: $15,000 KO Guarantee (93579966), Table 7 - 15/30 - No Limit Hold'em - 11:17:08 ET - 2009/06/02 Seat 1: Sharkfiction (2,515) Seat 2: wick127 (3,195) Seat 3: muruke (2,945) Seat 4: TSF (2,970) Seat 5: SoulCollector22 (2,275) Seat 6: ACEKILLA07 (3,860) Seat 7: minniemomo (3,080) Seat 8: twoblackaces (3,195) Seat 9: eldave1 (3,235) TSF posts the small blind of 15 SoulCollector22 posts the big blind of 30 The button is in seat #3 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to eldave1 [Tc Jh] ACEKILLA07 calls 30 minniemomo raises to 90 twoblackaces folds eldave1 has 15 seconds left to act eldave1 folds Sharkfiction folds wick127 folds muruke calls 90 TSF folds SoulCollector22 folds ACEKILLA07 calls 60 *** FLOP *** [7s 6d 3d] ACEKILLA07 checks minniemomo bets 180 muruke raises to 600 ACEKILLA07 folds minniemomo calls 420 *** TURN *** [7s 6d 3d] [7c] minniemomo checks muruke checks *** RIVER *** [7s 6d 3d 7c] [Ks] minniemomo has 15 seconds left to act minniemomo bets 420 muruke raises to 1,200 minniemomo calls 780 *** SHOW DOWN *** muruke shows [Kh Kc] a full house, Kings full of Sevens minniemomo mucks muruke wins the pot (3,915) with a full house, Kings full of Sevens *** SUMMARY *** Total pot 3,915 | Rake 0 Board: [7s 6d 3d 7c Ks] Seat 1: Sharkfiction didn't bet (folded) Seat 2: wick127 didn't bet (folded) Seat 3: muruke (button) showed [Kh Kc] and won (3,915) with a full house, Kings full of Sevens Seat 4: TSF (small blind) folded before the Flop Seat 5: SoulCollector22 (big blind) folded before the Flop Seat 6: ACEKILLA07 folded on the Flop Seat 7: minniemomo mucked [Ah Ad] - two pair, Aces and Sevens Seat 8: twoblackaces didn't bet (folded) Seat 9: eldave1 didn't bet (folded) HAND 2 =============================================== Full Tilt Poker Game #12576775632: $15,000 KO Guarantee (93579966), Table 7 - 15/30 - No Limit Hold'em - 11:24:02 ET - 2009/06/02 Seat 1: Sharkfiction (2,710) Seat 2: wick127 (2,940) Seat 4: TSF (3,165) Seat 5: SoulCollector22 (2,110) Seat 6: ACEKILLA07 (3,560) Seat 7: GilBunner (2,540) Seat 8: twoblackaces (3,045) Seat 9: eldave1 (3,325) SoulCollector22 posts the small blind of 15 ACEKILLA07 posts the big blind of 30 The button is in seat #4 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to eldave1 [Ad Qh] GilBunner folds __MarkFerrari__ sits down __MarkFerrari__ adds 3,155 twoblackaces folds eldave1 calls 30 Sharkfiction folds wick127 folds TSF calls 30 SoulCollector22 raises to 150 ACEKILLA07 calls 120 eldave1 calls 120 TSF folds *** FLOP *** [9h 8s 2s] SoulCollector22 has 15 seconds left to act SoulCollector22 checks ACEKILLA07 bets 480 eldave1 folds SoulCollector22 has 15 seconds left to act SoulCollector22 raises to 1,960, and is all in ACEKILLA07 calls 1,480 SoulCollector22 shows [Ah Ac] ACEKILLA07 shows [9s Qd] *** TURN *** [9h 8s 2s] [Ts] *** RIVER *** [9h 8s 2s Ts] [Jd] SoulCollector22 shows a pair of Aces ACEKILLA07 shows a straight, Queen high ACEKILLA07 wins the pot (4,400) with a straight, Queen high SoulCollector22 is sitting out *** SUMMARY *** Total pot 4,400 | Rake 0 Board: [9h 8s 2s Ts Jd] Seat 1: Sharkfiction didn't bet (folded) Seat 2: wick127 didn't bet (folded) Seat 4: TSF (button) folded before the Flop Seat 5: SoulCollector22 (small blind) showed [Ah Ac] and lost with a pair of Aces Seat 6: ACEKILLA07 (big blind) showed [9s Qd] and won (4,400) with a straight, Queen high Seat 7: GilBunner didn't bet (folded) Seat 8: twoblackaces didn't bet (folded) Seat 9: eldave1 folded on the Flop The button is in seat #1 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to eldave1 [Kd Ac] TSF folds kgoule folds ACEKILLA07 folds GilBunner calls 50 twoblackaces folds eldave1 raises to 125 Sharkfiction folds wick127 folds __MarkFerrari__ has 15 seconds left to act __MarkFerrari__ calls 75 GilBunner calls 75 *** FLOP *** [Ks 2h Th] __MarkFerrari__ checks GilBunner bets 150 eldave1 raises to 500 __MarkFerrari__ calls 500 GilBunner calls 350 *** TURN *** [Ks 2h Th] [5d] __MarkFerrari__ checks GilBunner checks eldave1 bets 500 __MarkFerrari__ has 15 seconds left to act __MarkFerrari__ calls 500 GilBunner calls 500 *** RIVER *** [Ks 2h Th 5d] [5s] __MarkFerrari__ checks GilBunner checks eldave1 checks *** SHOW DOWN *** eldave1 shows [Kd Ac] two pair, Kings and Fives __MarkFerrari__ mucks GilBunner shows [Jh 5h] three of a kind, Fives GilBunner wins the pot (3,400) with three of a kind, Fives *** SUMMARY *** Total pot 3,400 | Rake 0 Board: [Ks 2h Th 5d 5s] Seat 1: Sharkfiction (button) didn't bet (folded) Seat 2: wick127 (small blind) folded before the Flop Seat 3: __MarkFerrari__ (big blind) mucked [9d Td] - two pair, Tens and Fives Seat 4: TSF didn't bet (folded) Seat 5: kgoule didn't bet (folded) Seat 6: ACEKILLA07 didn't bet (folded) Seat 7: GilBunner showed [Jh 5h] and won (3,400) with three of a kind, Fives Seat 8: twoblackaces didn't bet (folded) Seat 9: eldave1 showed [Kd Ac] and lost with two pair, Kings and Fives |
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06-05-09, 12:17 PM
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I was very glad to read the posts here cause I thought I was losing my mind. Im on FT for a week and Im up $1200 playing low stakes games. So I cash out and keep $500 for a bankroll.
Then complete craziness happens, Im a very patient player and careful as I know about the nuts online but I am shocked at how my all ins that are beat everytime even though I m way ahead. Of course I understand bad beats happen but everytime. The weird thing is its always a 10 LOL. Its so funny I just laugh cause I know its coming. Im going to play out my bankroll and never go back again at least Ill have made some money. Another funny story Im brand new at poker back in 04 never played didnt have a clue what I was doing. Put $20 in for a bankroll after playing with playmoney. So its my second tourney $1.00 entry something like 5000 players and Im very loose and inexperienced I mean Calling huge raises with any paint J5 off won me a huge pot against aa and kk. So I end up winning $800 finishing second. So now Im thinking hey if I read some books and applied myself I could perhaps do ok at this. So I read a few books and practice at low limit for hours and hours and do pretty good. So I cash out 2k and go on holidays. Ive read the theories about cashing and then going on losing streaks but thought oh they just got greedy and misused their bankroll. So I get back from holidays and the insanity kicks in. Again I cannot win no matter how far ahead I am in my all ins, it happens everytime, so I contact support and say "How is this possible?".(this is stars bye the way). Supports very prompt and good their, and they admit yes you have had some brutal beats but it happens. Im like yeah it happens but when it happens 30 40 times theirs something wrong. (Im not kidding here). Im talking being ahead post flop and getting sucked out on the turn or river to guys ranked in the bottom %10 usually. Any ways I left poker stars for good. I play in casinos and do well and have been very successful in Vegas so I figured somethings up there and couldnt take the frustration. But I missed playing poker at home and recently injured my back so Im stuck at home and thought Id give full tilt a whirl and well you know. My question for you guys is Is their a poker site where you dont get clobbered by suck outs? Please no comments on black helicopters or being a bad poker player I just want an honest site to play on. Thanks Dan |
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06-05-09, 02:38 PM
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Yeah im grinding pokerstar at mo, won $3.3k last month, my Roi's for 2 tournys were 75% and 65%. Just had the most epic down swing, losing $1k in $50&$70 incriments. In 4 days i had AA/KK cracked 5 times in a row, AJ vs A9 type confrontations were getting crushed and had flush under flush twice then trips under trips! I couldn't fathom this could happen in live games but my roi's for the 2 games i play are now 10% and 65%. Averaging these two figures out and it's round about where it should be.
Seems about every month, i get a downswing of around 10-15 buyins, can anyone who plays live single tables tell me if they get the same results? Last two nights ive won the $1k back and totally put this down to bankroll management and not tilting, very different story last year. I wanted to know, in relation to your live game succes, do you really see so much difference in the cards, or are the players different. I don't have a choice in gambling establishments cos in england, our sites are sh*t, our poker in casino's is sh*t so im gonna just grind this out for a year and see what the results are. |
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#4
06-05-09, 04:54 PM
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Buck22,
That was a good question about live players running bad. Alot of people seem to think they run worse online than they do live and more freguently hit these downswings. I completely think both points are true but for different reasons than most posters here. In my own experience, I play 3 tables at a time when im playing cash games. That is close t0 300 hands an hour. If I put in a pretty hard day I can get2,000 hands in. If I played live it would take close to a week of 8 hour play to get that many hands in. Couple that with the fact that players online play alot looser than most live players. Some guys will make any move at any time, not worrying about being embarrassed because they are hidden behind a computer screen. So in one hour online you see almost 10x more hands and play with much looser players, in that one hour you should expect to see alot more beats than at an hour of live. As far as downswings go, I think online players are more susceptible to huge downswings. If you are playing on 3 tables, almost 5 hands a minute, your swings will come alot quicker. Losing 2-3 buy ins live doesn't happen easily, you either have to make some horrible plays or just get totally coolered. You might lose that much over the course of a bad night. If you are a multi table internet player you might lose two buy ins in the first 20 minutes. Then things start to fall apart and before you know it you're down 6 buy ins. Obviously upswings can come un just as fast. I used to prefer live to online until I started multi tabling and realized you can make alot more money playing online. That is why I don't like it when people act like they KNOW it's rigged or something. Internet poker has done alot for the poker world as a whole and it gives earning power to people all over the world who don't live near a casino. |
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#5
06-10-09, 01:24 AM
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06-05-09, 05:05 PM
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I see a huge difference in cards and players. It seems the flops demand action.
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06-15-09, 06:16 PM
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So card dead for 2 bloody hours big stack shoving me around finally get a hand and this is what happens
Full Tilt Poker Game #12834136166: Daily Dollar Rebuy (95256405), Table 250 - 800/1600 Ante 200 - No Limit Hold'em - 19:09:58 ET - 2009/06/15 Seat 1: crossties (27,433) Seat 2: KKARLITA (26,340) Seat 3: le gros tib (213,706) Seat 4: beginner28 (153,261) Seat 5: Warrior Vince (56,156) Seat 6: Danimal2000 (26,654) Seat 7: toff76 (62,491) Seat 8: davidbenyami (106,423) Seat 9: davinadee (20,920) crossties antes 200 KKARLITA antes 200 le gros tib antes 200 beginner28 antes 200 Warrior Vince antes 200 Danimal2000 antes 200 toff76 antes 200 davidbenyami antes 200 davinadee antes 200 davidbenyami posts the small blind of 800 davinadee posts the big blind of 1,600 The button is in seat #7 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to Danimal2000 [Ac As] crossties folds KKARLITA folds le gros tib folds beginner28 raises to 4,800 Warrior Vince folds Danimal2000 raises to 26,454, and is all in toff76 folds davidbenyami has 15 seconds left to act davidbenyami folds davinadee folds beginner28 calls 21,654 Danimal2000 shows [Ac As] beginner28 shows [3s 3d] *** FLOP *** [Jd 5h 9d] *** TURN *** [Jd 5h 9d] [2d] *** RIVER *** [Jd 5h 9d 2d] [Ad] Danimal2000 shows three of a kind, Aces beginner28 shows a flush, Ace high beginner28 wins the pot (57,108) with a flush, Ace high *** SUMMARY *** Total pot 57,108 | Rake 0 Board: [Jd 5h 9d 2d Ad] Seat 1: crossties folded before the Flop Seat 2: KKARLITA folded before the Flop Seat 3: le gros tib folded before the Flop Seat 4: beginner28 showed [3s 3d] and won (57,108) with a flush, Ace high Seat 5: Warrior Vince folded before the Flop Seat 6: Danimal2000 showed [Ac As] and lost with three of a kind, Aces Seat 7: toff76 (button) folded before the Flop Seat 8: davidbenyami (small blind) folded before the Flop Seat 9: davinadee (big blind) folded before the Flop |
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06-15-09, 07:00 PM
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Oh and I went all in cause I wanted this guy heads up and hed been raising me with 35 o
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06-13-09, 02:30 PM
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so I play my bi-monthly $1 tournament on Full Rigged.
3rd hand -- dealt KK in late pos - raise 4xBB and get 3 callers. Flop comes 235 rainbow Player to my right goes AI, and I decide to call. Third player in pot also goes All In Sure enough, full rigged tilt does it again. #1 has 105. I have pp Ks and #3 has FLOPPED A STRAIGHT. She called my PF raise with A4 o/s Of course this is just the nature of poker. Isn't that what all the suckers and excuse-niks say about Full Rigged Tilt non-legitimate poker dealing. No way - these hands are pre-programmed. It creates more rake. the same flawed RNG is used in a $1 tournament I suspect as in some cash games on Full Rigged. Last edited by nitemare6; 06-13-09 at 02:32 PM. |
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06-17-09, 11:09 PM
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06-18-09, 12:22 AM
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At the risk of incurring the unholy wrath of whatodds, I think I can answer this one.
I think the argument when it comes to tournaments is that an online poker room would benefit from the action-inducing hands by encouraging players to risk their stacks against one another to speed things along. The sooner that individuals are eliminated from one tournament, the sooner they would register for another. The sooner one tournament is over, the sooner another could fill up and get underway. If a tight player is in a tournament for three hours, there would only be one buy-in. If the same player is eliminated in the first fifteen minutes when he is dealt KK only to lose to someone else dealt AA (or someone getting the perfect cards on the board), he could pay twleve buy-ins in the same three hours. So, theoretically, even though the poker room wouldn't be increasing their rake on individual hands by creating huge showdowns, they could (again, theoretically) increase their income from the buy-ins by keeping the tournaments shorter and having more of them running in the same amount of time. Theoretically... Quote:
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06-16-09, 09:01 PM
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Wow - that is an ugly hand.
I think FullTilt is pretty unplayable, especially late in a tourney if you were somehow able to survive all the land mines earlier. When I get deep in a tourney on that site, the last foking thing I want is pocket Aces, Kings or Queens. I have folded pocket aces twice in the last month when there were two other folks all in - sure as shit, I would have lost both of them. KK I fold about half the time and never shove anymore. I lost KK deep in a tourney 6 times in a row - all to A rag. So now I just call and see what happens. You can't play real poker on the site because - well - it is not real poker. More like Russion roulette. So I pretty much look at Full Tilt is a slot machine rather then a legit poker site. enjoy |
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06-18-09, 06:00 PM
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Denethor, I see what you are saying about moving tournaments along faster with action hands but to me it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Tournaments reach their conclusions in the time frame they do based on blinds. If the blinds are so high that the chip leader has 25BB and the average is 8BB then you are getting all ins every hand whether or not its AAvKK. Look at the tournaments you play, most of them probably reach the money and the conclusion at pretty much the exact same time every time. I know when I play MTT's with a 3k starting stack the money is almost always reached at the last half of the 10th level. So either every single tournament I play in has the same exact type of hands being given out or the levels of the blinds dictate when players bust. So if they wanted to make people bust faster and start more tourneys, changing to a 10 min level format from a 15 min format would be alot more effective than just giving out action hands. Last edited by HPG ADMIN; 02-14-25 at 02:12 AM. |
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06-18-09, 07:30 PM
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It would seem like speeding up the levels would be the easiest way to increase the number of buy-ins. I think FTP already has the levels at only six minutes in a lot of the tournaments and even less in the turbos.
I still think the "action hands" would have potential to speed things along more than just the blind levels, though. I don't ever remember having to worry about blinding out on FTP - even with the accelerated levels. I never lasted that long, and I don't think my play was looser on FTP. I guess probably the best way to summarize the logic is that the "action hands" would prevent tight players from causing the tournaments to drag on. A player who might protect his chips for hours with small pots and blind stealing could be eliminated instantly. Quote:
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06-19-09, 02:42 AM
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06-19-09, 10:54 AM
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I can't argue with any of the math, but it seems (to me) like it would make sense that a tournament would be over a lot quicker if every hand at every table featured AA vs KK every time, for example. In that tournament, I don't see the blinds ever being a factor unless players were (or became) aware of the situation. A ninety player tournament would be over in no more than ninety hands spread over all the tables - at least one player would be eliminated from each table per hand. The hands would also go very quickly because they would most likely be all-in pre-flop. Low buy-in tournaments would be over even quicker since so many players have a tendency to go all-in with just about anything and multiple players would likely be eliminated each hand. Obviously that whole example is completely over-the-top (some may not think so), but it is for illustrative purposes only.
One other issue that would come into player is the personality of the individual being knocked out prematurely by the "action hand". I suppose a lot of people would want to get right back in another tournament. I personally would be less likely to contribute more buy-ins after something like that. If I'm knocked out with some insane lucky draw or something, I normally just want to get away from it for a while rather than play another one right away. So even if hands were being orchestrated to eliminate players more quickly, it would have the potential to backfire since some of those people (like me) would undoubtedly be frustrated enough to just walk away rather than immediately buy in to another tournament. Quote:
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06-18-09, 07:55 PM
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These are more true stories about Full RIGGED Tilt
tonight I just played in my $1 tournament: SECOND HAND: (repeat 2nd hand) I get 99s in late position. Guy raises 3x BB. Several donks call. I call adn don't raise. Glop is 678 RAINBOW. Not much chance of a flush there or that I am -not leading - with my 9s. BUT a guy bets ALL IN. A DONK I figure. I call. Guess what -- I made a great call - the guys has 8Js. A PAIR OF EIGHTS with three spades - backdoor. BUT NOOooooo my hand is not go od with only 2 cards to go on FULL RIGGED! Nope they can still deal him two running spades to flush him. AND guess what - the scum running the site sure enough had it set up to deal him a spade flush. He had J8. I had pp - 99s He won. Now in a live game that might happen every few weks or a couple - three times. But on this sick excuse for a real poker site -- that somehow manages to attract enough suckers to stay in business-- it is a all to common occurrence. I would not give these cheats more than a $1... |
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06-18-09, 07:59 PM
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PF I was 70/30
post flop I was 83/17 These "pros" (i.e. college or HS drop-outs who got lucky) running this site guys are scumbags. I don't know why I even waste time on a dollar. Guess I figure maybe the rig will help me to finish in top 3 places someday. If that happened it would in no way change my opinion. |
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06-23-09, 08:18 PM
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VA Poker
so just to understand your viewpoint --> you say FTP is giving a 'random' deal such that all the anecdotal stuff we/I see over and over and over again is mathematical, or whatever term you choose to use that is more 'technical' but does not proclaim the site is rigged? |
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#21
06-24-09, 01:19 AM
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nitemare,
I don't really know what you are talking about. Are you talking about the last thing I said to you? The last thing I said to you was the FTP didn't make any more money by making you lose to a straight (I was nice enough not to point out that you went broke with a pair on the 4th hand of a tourney). I simply asked you multiple times how FTP made more money by you losing that hand. You still have yet to answer me. If you want to personally attack me for not thinking a website is rigged against me thats fine. Just go see how many people are playing on FTP right now. I wonder who they agree with. |
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06-26-09, 09:23 PM
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Been playing some relatively large stakes single table recently of which the pots are 99% of the time resolved before before the river, rarely all in. I've found that haven't had ridiculous bad beats, still a few, but thought my super unlucky run had taken a turn. My mate asked me to play some $10 games for him and the suck outs were silly. It all came back to me, suddenly AA was gettin cracked constantly, top pairs outdrawn, it just has to be the volume of action that one gets at low stakes.
If people are playing better, there's alot less gambling going on, less variance. Im playing stars at mo, doing fine, but playing the low stakes just deja vu'd my whole experience with fulltilt. THEORY: When players are playing better, you win money slowly but consistantly, and when players are bad, you win in huge streaks but accompanied with far more bad beats. Ultimately bad players are better equity, but you will have long streaks of losing to them. So this could easily be mistaken for a dodgy RNG. |
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06-27-09, 04:08 AM
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whatodds,
I was responding to nitemare's post because he continues to personally attack me because I say in my opinion FTP probably isn't rigged. You are right though, it makes alot more sense to respond to what you are saying rather than respond to incomprehensibe personal attacks by strangers. I'd rather have a good discussion than trade insults any day. As far as your stats go I see your logic but here's what I don't understand. You seem to be comparing your NL5 stats on FTP to your stats on other sites playing bigger stakes. It seems to me, to compare results on different site you would use samples from the same levels. When I first started playing online I started out fairly low, even though I'd had success live I wanted to start low as I felt the online game was probably alot different. It was very very difficult for me to win money at NL10 and NL25 even though I've had modestly consistent success for years playing 1/2 and 2/4 live. Finally I just deposited $1000, started playng NL100 and have been fairly successful ever since. I know you think if you win at NL25 or NL50 other places you should be crushing NL5 at FTP because the competition is worse. In my opinion, sometimes the comepetiton can be so bad that its hard to win consistently. You can never bluff them off of any hand, you never know where you stand in any given hand because their ranges are incomprehensible. Sure you can win a ton if you are simply getting better cards than everyone else. I honestly don't know how else you'd win. So to me, thats basically just a straight gamble. So basically I think your lack of success at NL 5 and success at other levels makes sense to me. I wouldn't make a big side bet that I could crush an NL5 game even though I do fairly well at higher stakes, its just like bingo. Even if you don't agree with my logic I still think it's a bad way to determine anything. A more accurate way would be to compare your results with the same stakes from one site to another. With all of that being said, even if you lose at one site at NL25 and win at another site at NL25 doesn't mean there is anything weird going on at the site you are losing at. Maybe your style doesn't mesh well with the style of the LAG Easten Europeans that are everywhere on FTP. Maybe you lose there because you go into every game KNOWING you are going to lose because you don't trust the site. In any sport, how many times do you go in KNOWING you are going to lose and win? My point is there could be a ton of different reasons why you have success one place and lack success another. What I do not understand is why you keep playing on FTP. Rigged or not, I honestly don't think you will ever win on FTP. Not because of your play or antying but like I said before even if you go into a basketball game knowing you will lose, youre going to lose and poker is 100% mental. Thats why bad runs last longer for some than others. You can only run bad luck wise for so long but some players, after running bad for awhile, get it in their head that they can't win. That only prolongs the bad run. Thats why taking some time off and clearing your head always works. It's not that the time off changed your luck its just that it gets you back into a mindframe that you can win. Honestly, I know for a fact we will never agree on this and you are one of the only people here that disagrees with me but doesn't think im a complete ass so I appreciate that. What are you trying to accomplish though? You know you aren't going to bring FTP down or anything like that. As far as warning people goes, the warnings are out there, there are a million psts on a million forums, some claiming EVERY site is rigged. The problem with the warning thing is that most people on your side tend to make weak arguments centered around 2 bad beats that they took and it comprimises your argument. I think you truly believe what you are saying and I respect that but for your own sake atleast stop playing at FTP. I don't suppose making posts reguarding it being rigged is detrimental to you but continuing to thrown money away at FTP certainly is. Not only are you likely to lose there but it can't possible be good for your poker state of mind. As I said before, if you ever want to transfer whatever money you have in your FTP account to me, I'll transfer an equal amount to your stars account. Last edited by VA Poker; 06-27-09 at 04:15 AM. |
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06-27-09, 09:30 AM
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Tell you what VA and what odds, if 50,000 hands is enough to get proof we could easily put that together between us.
If we played 4 tables at a time and played bout 17,000 hands each, that could take us 2 weeks easy. I wouldnt mind puttin the time in if your willing, only thing is, will FTP give us 17,000 hands history, and who will anylise the stats and at what cost . Last edited by buck22; 06-28-09 at 04:36 PM. |
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#25
06-30-09, 03:35 AM
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I just have this to add to the thread:
If you believe in miracles, they will come true on FTP. If you believe in statistics and probability, you'd better play somewhere else. |
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#26
06-30-09, 11:05 PM
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Full tilt aint rigged, pokers rigged! It's the sickest game in the world with just the right amount of bad beats, cold decks , talent and near infinite experience to break all but the best players. A year ago i wouldve said pokerstars was rigged cos i wasnt playing well enough, blinded by bad beats and cold decks i neglected to see the real profit that comes from bankroll management, not tilting and playing worse after bad beats and playing with a logic that beats each individual player at my table.
I just played for about 4 hours, two SNG's came 1st and 2nd even though i was down to my last $200 chips in both, nice $450 win, then play cash hu, went in 3times on the turn as 80% favourite and get shafted EVERY time! Pokers a sick game that doesn't deliver results immediately but waits till your so pi**ed off and disheartened that any man would crumble and THEN it pays off your patience and hard work. Fulltilt can't be proven to be rigged cos it's such a sick game anyway noone could tell the difference. Im 8 months into this bankroll and it's exactly where it should be, but if you think I haven't been brutally hammered by bad beats and cold decks to the point where Im sure it's rigged, your very wrong. IT AINT RIGGED, YOU'RE DOING SOMETHING WRONG, FIND WHAT IT IS AND PLUG IT! |
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#27
07-04-09, 12:24 AM
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I have read the postings on this site and i must agree with what odds and nitemare6.... i have played on UB, Bodog, full tilt and a couple of other sites as well. I am not a crybaby loser as i am up $ in the long run, however I have seen enough to know that something is amiss. I play regualrly at casinos as well and i see hands live all the time where players win a 3 or 4 handed pot with Q high or similar. You almost NEVER see high card win a hand on full tilt. I am not buying the whole you see more bad beats because you are playing 3-4 times the number of hands. 3-4 times the hands would mean 3-4 times the number of hands where high card wins. I get to the point where i know if i flop top pair top kicker, I am almost certainly drawing dead, even in heads up play. the other thing i see constantly is the bigger the fish, the higher his chip lead. aytime i am playing in a touney or cash game, there is usually one donk at the table that either his strategy is all in all in all in until he either wins or is out, or someone who will call anything with any hand. I will play patiently watching this moron take out player after player with suckouts that are too unlikely to be believed, until I get a hand like AA, KK, QQ or AK. Doesnt matter what the hand is, i know he is going to suck out with his 62 off.
I started out on a pretty good run, playing position tight and agressive, but after doubling my $, I reached that point where the winning just stops for huge runs at a time. I still play the same way and it proves to be successful in live play, but I do think that bad play is rewarded way too often on these sites. BYW the same story on UB and just about every other site i have played and I am glad that I am not the only one who sees this as well... I love the game and fully believe that it is a skill game over all where solid players can make money. I still play with the hopes that I can win a big tournament again.( i recently won a freeroll with over 3000 entries and you dont see many more donks than that!.... i won a whopping 15 dollars. )... but i take the site now with a grain of salt, knowing that i am going to lose about 70% of the hands where I am ahead and try not to play more than 3 games per day. |
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#28
07-05-09, 12:32 AM
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so i just played another tourney... the first since my last post. sick sick sick
i am on the button with 54 which most would play probably, but i fold... the flop comes 4k5. i think to my self "figures" but someone probably has poket Kings.... a 4 hits on the turn which would have given me a boat, but sure enough, 2 others are all in, and what does the guy to my left have????? KK... would have taken a sick cooler there. so I get crap for the next few hands and watch 3 people go all in... 2 have KK and one has A 10.... flop XXX turn 10 river 10 OMG..... so i fold everything i see until i finally get QQ... i raise 4x and get 2 callers that limped. the flop comes 6A7... of course the scare card is there, but i dont feel like either one has it. I am out of position, but have to continue, so I do, player 2 folds player 3 calls..... next card is a 4.... I decide that the guy is on a flush draw or has like a low pocket pair or something. so i continue again, he calls... the river is a 2.... im thinking now i have the best hand, till he flips over 85......down to 450 in chips so i stay out of things until i get a hand to shove with.... AQ... there it is... same guy calls me with K 10 and spikes a 10... im out..... WTF do i have to do to win on this site?... get a job there? |
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#29
07-05-09, 12:59 AM
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decided to play one more... mistake!
lasted only a few hands... lost a lot of chips to a dork that did not know what pot odds were, so he rode his flush draw to the river and caught it(of course)..... then raised 4x again with 88 on the button. 1 caller.... flop comes 5h 2h 8h the guy checks and I push hard to deter any chance the guy might want to stick around with a high heart.... he calls the all in... he flips Qh 6h. I give up!.... as soon as i can im going to cash out my money and get the FUCK away from this site |
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07-05-09, 05:32 PM
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Crashbah
I started posting on this site on page 21. You appear to share my experience, that the long-term odds never play out on FTP. I have played there for the last time, thankfully. I now play at Titan Poker - real, casino-like poker, with the odds being represented in the hands you play, and the opportunity to win well if you play well. That was always what hurt at FTP. I know my game, and I know that it's profitable, but I JUST COULD NOT WIN. Suck-out after suck-out, for months. I thought I was running bad, that it would come good in the end, but it never did. Finally, I figured it out, put in the words full-tilt-rigged into Google, and hey presto, like you I am here. Tonight, bought in for $50 at Titan (.50, $1). Three hours later I'm looking at a nice $198 profit...a typical nights play in many ways. One bad beat where I got rivered with a 2-outer, otherwise steady progress, with one nice double-up with quad jacks. How poker should be! Warmest regards Cransley69 |
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