Hellmuth quote

If there was no luck involved....Phil Hellmuth might not win everytime...but he'd win most of the time. The guy is an arrogant prick...however, I think that his arrogance is what makes him great. Second place is not good enough for him...he holds himself to the highest standards at all times. If you read this and you follow poker...I mean REALLY follow poker...not just ESPN, then you will know that NOBODY and I mean NOBODY gets sucked out on as much as Hellmuth. he could easily have 13-15 bracelets by now if it weren't for luck.

Originally Posted by Chad

That's actually ironic. I saw him outdraw an opponent on an all in to win the other day on the travel channel.

That is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard...that's like saying, if it wasn't for the hoop being 10 feet high, everyone would dunk a basketball. I could sit around for AA all day, and say, no one should beat me...You my friend are a moron

Well....you obviously are not a real poker player...and judging from your piss poor analogy aren't very smart. Your basketball comparison makes no sense at all..My point is that I have seen Helmuth get his money in with monster hands and trap his opponent just like you're supposed to and his opponent catch runner runner or 1 and 2 outers to beat him. What further lets me know that you have no clue what you're talking about is your "waiting for aces theory". Real players know that Hellmuth doesn't even play in cash games...he plays tournaments only....If you had ever played in a real tournament before which I doubt...you would know that the blind structure for tournaments doesn't allow you to just sit around and wait for hands. Do yourself a favor and go learn the game.

[CAPPARELLA]

Bravo, Bravo....but i bet if football fields were only 10 yards long everyone would score a touchdown...

[SHAMUS TDT]

I wish I was a "real poker player" like suitedace...i think with guys like him around trying to show off how awesome and insightful he is I'll switch to yahtzee. On second though I'll just continue rake'in pots off of people who think they are special.

[deekay140]

Phil does have amazing instincts, and is a great player. but if his quote were true, then he would have no one to play against (if he won everytime) thus making him the number 1 player by default. I feel that Phil uses his anger and arrogance to market himself. since we are talking about him,,,, its working.

[deekay140]

Oh yeah, Btw , very well said suitedace. I play alot of tourneys and cash games, let me tell ya, I never get outplayed, always outdrawn. Players like Phil and other pros are gonna have a harder and harder time winning the tourneys. there are just too many inexperienced players at these tourneys. When you play and play well, you expect certain things from your opponents. You put a guy on the correct cards and make the correct moves, but some of these guys just wont fold. You sense weakness, you make the move and you get beat by ignorance. I would rather play against pros then amateurs. Ive won quite a few local tourneys ( 75, 95, 300 people games). The key to winning is adjusting your game to your opponents and making the correct decisions.

my 2 cents

[Locohombre]

I've seen Hellmuth get sucked out on more than plenty of times. I know how it is to put a player on the right hand and still lose after calling his bluff. (especially online.) However, I've also seen him get bluffed out by other pros and he occaisonally outdraws his opponent. The harsh reality is that he is old news. Other pros know the way he plays and crush him now. He has skill against ametures, but he can't beat the pros. His strategy is too well known.

[Locohombre]

Originally Posted by SHAMUS TDT

I wish I was a "real poker player" like suitedace...i think with guys like him around trying to show off how awesome and insightful he is I'll switch to yahtzee. On second though I'll just continue rake'in pots off of people who think they are special.

LOL!

[CAPPARELLA]

I did notice that Hell"mouth" won a heads up tourney against all other pros the other day..not bad

Hellmuth hands down is one of the top five players in the world. he dropped out of college, moved to Vegas and won the world series of poker. Id be a little arogant and coky if I had his resume

[Mustang]

Originally Posted by Suited Ace

If there was no luck involved....Phil Hellmuth might not win everytime...but he'd win most of the time. The guy is an arrogant prick...however, I think that his arrogance is what makes him great. Second place is not good enough for him...he holds himself to the highest standards at all times. If you read this and you follow poker...I mean REALLY follow poker...not just ESPN, then you will know that NOBODY and I mean NOBODY gets sucked out on as much as Hellmuth. he could easily have 13-15 bracelets by now if it weren't for luck.

I totally agree. I've seen have such bad luck being like this close to getting another bracelet. I think by 2015 or sometime in the future, he will have amassed more bracelets than anyone ever will (all he needs is 1 more to have the most ever).

[Mustang]

Gotta say tho, there's some other good players out there that might match him on a good day. Ivey, Negreanu, Hansen, Chan, Ferguson. I've mostly been watching a lot of Poker Superstars Invitational, and some of these guys (like Mortensen, Chan, Hansen) usually have perfect reads and make the correct decision play by play.