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Originally Posted by what odds
Do any of you use HEM?????
How many times do I have to point out all you have to do is filter for hands ALL IN ON THE FLOP WHEN YOU HELD 60-69% EQUITY AND THEN READ AN WEEP WHEN YOU SEE THAT STRAIGHT DRAWS AND FLUSH DRAWS ARE MADE OVER 60% OF THE TIME!!!!!
There is no debate, the stats are there for anyone using HEM...the site uses bots, players will check shove a flush draw and make hideously bad plays but these bots or house players or whatever they are will hit draws at 60%+ of the time.
I've ran similar filters for Pokerstars, Ladbrokes, Pacific,Everest, I-Poker Network and my hands in these situations all run to within 10% of expectation, which any statistician will say is within a reasonable range given my hand sample sizes.
Also, I filtered for raised PF, flopped two pair, trips or a set...now this filter was the jackpot evidence I personally needed because my win rate in these spots on all my other sites (6 sites all with 100,000+ samples) are +1,300bb/100 or more.
Now on FTP, that number drops to 650bb/100...so basically, that tells me, when I raise pre flop on FTP, say with 99, and the flop comes 927, I actually win half as much in comparison to 6 other sites...now anyone with any ounce of intelligence can see how significant that is because it has nothing to do with player skill- when you flop a set, it is hard to play it wrong- you just bet and keep betting if called.
So, I was intrigued as to how this happens on FTP and then when you look at the hand histories where money was lost in these spots, it just becomes so blatantly obvious the site is rigged for action.
Pretty much, when you flop a big hand on FTP, your opponent will flop a draw or have some crazy hand in store to beat you on a later street at a rate just way more than is possible through standard variance, it is set up people- so you c-bet KK on KQ8, opponent calls with J9, turn comes the Ten and there is just no way you are folding.
But almost everytime, you flop a set, opponent turns the flush, you flop two pair, opponent turns a set, it is actually laugh out loud material when you look at the hand histories because it confirms what I have always felt- that they put you with big hands on the flop only to have the opponent make a bigger hand way more often than they should on a later street- it means more big pots and the very logic of it means good solid play is punished because you flop a big hand and then get outdrawn whilst the bad players will call and hit and stack the good players more often- it works great for FTP because good players will raise pre flop and bet good hands, bad players will flop a gut shot and CALL and hit and= a lot of action hands.
I actually think anyone who plays FTP over a big sample and doesn't see the manipulation just really doesn't have any idea but randomness because it just doesn't happen like that in real life.
If I run the same filters for any of the other sites, I see hands where I raise TT, flop comes T75, opponent with Q5o calls the flop, turn = 5 and his trips get punished because he is playing a DOMINATED hand...those types of hands just don't happen on FTP, on FTP he'd hold 69o and the turn would come an 8 for the UNLIKELY to give credit for straight.
THE STATS ARE THERE FOR ANYONE WITH A BIG SAMPLE ON FTP AND THEY OWN HEM, USE MY FILTERS AND JUST LOOK AT THE BS THESE GUYS COME UP WITH...
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