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Old 10-02-09, 09:00 PM
eldave1 eldave1 is offline
 
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First - the full tilt case - what is happening is FT took two players $$ for being BOTS - the players are counter suing alleging that FT employs the use of house BOTs. The case hit the wires today. Here is an article extract:
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"Full Tilt sued for seizing funds in alleged bot case

Is it just me, or has poker gone completely lawsuit-crazy this year? There’s another poker case on the docket in Los Angeles County Superior Court, this time alleging that Full Tilt Poker unfairly seized more than $80,000 in winnings from players Lary Kennedy and Greg Omotoy.

Full Tilt says the two players had their funds taken because they used bots in violation of the site’s terms of service, and that determination was made by consulting a third party expert. The players, meanwhile, claim in their lawsuit that Full Tilt itself uses bots itself to manipulate the outcome of hands played on the site. The actual documents in the case haven’t been released yet so it’s impossible at this point to make a determination of what to believe based on any sort of evidence, but there will almost certainly be more information on the way in the near future.

Full Tilt has had a rough go in the legal realm lately; this is the third lawsuit that the popular online room is currently facing, including others from former employee J.D. Newitt and former Team Full Tilt member Clonie Gowen."
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Now - this will be interesting - hopefully, if FT is legit they will not settle this case since now they have folks claiming in legal papers that they use BOTS. Who knows, maybe even HHs will be made available. HOWEVER, FT needs to use this case to demonstrate that they are legit - think about it - they could end up with a court decision saying the evidence = they are legit. If the settle out of court, I will be very disappointed. We'll see.

In terms of Joker Stars - not sure why that is where the arguement falls apart for you. But whatever. What you need to realize Buck is that not all of our experiences and data are the same. If your data shows that you are getting a legit deal - mue bueno. BUT - that doesn't mean that's what mine of WHAT ODDS data shows. Like WHAT ODDS - over a long period of time, my data - FOR MY HANDS - do not reflect statistically valid results. If it is just my hands - cool - guess
sooner or later the data will change - but don't tell me what my data is. I have scoured it back and forth. AND - I do know exactly!!!!! when I hit flush draws, when they're hit against me etc. As an example, for all my hands (where I went to showdown), my opponents hit a flush 35% of the time - overall. HOWEVER - if more than half my stack is at risk, they hit 56% - that is what I see - good for you that your results are different