the betting, playing, and navigating through the site is good. lots of different games to play. Not playing there again though. For over a month i've lost almost 95% at the river. this is when i got sets, straights, flushes, and full-boats after the flop or turn and i knew i had the stronger hand and was betting accordingly. I know "it's poker," but, i play at real cardhouses/casinos; and sure, i lose at the river at times. But, not 95% of the time. Yesterday i had a friend watch, and whenever i put someone all-in, I always (100%)lost at the river, and i had the better hand 80% of the time. after losing a bunch of $$$, my buddy was right, play with play money, but NOT real $$$. lesson learned, never again. keep your money, and if you have to play, go to a cardhouse.

BOTS are in play at Party Poker. I had AK suited and raised from an early position. The BOT sitting next to me Re-raised, a 3rd raise came in from late position. 4 of us in the hand. Flop was A J 4. I raised with my aces. Ths BOT Re-raised again. Turn was a 3, river was a 9. BOT re-raised a total of 5 times. He had a 3 and 9 unsuited. He re-raised with a 9 high pre-flop, no flush or straight draws. He re-raised after the flop, still had nothing and 2 overcards on the board. He re-raised on the turn with a pair of 3s. He re-raised on the river with 2 pair... And won. One player immediately commented: That sucks. Player 2 commented "That ain't right". Two players immediately left the game.

unreal, ive been a favorite in 95% of my showdowns and lost 80% of em. This site is a joke. Would certainly go elsewhere.

If you like to play rags this is your site. Im never playing at this crooked site again.

How is this site not investigated and shut down. The rules and percentages of poker dont apply at party poker.

If there is two people all in in front of you and you have rags push them in you'll surely suck out. This site is an absolute joke, would strongly advise u steer clear of party poker. To many bots and is designed to keep you around even no matter if you are great or terrible in poker skills. That way the buy ins never stop.

Article on bot usage in online poker rooms
[url]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6002298/[/url]

The article is really good and I would agree that playing against a BOT programmed to "Play" poker is normally easy to beat. I have the MxSholdem simulator with 9 canned players (BOTS) and I can beat them without to much difficulty.But Party Poker's BOTs aren't there to win, they are there to generate larger pots = bigger rakes. This changes the complexion of the game.Also: notice that BOTS employed by Party Poker as SHILLS is not being addressed anywhere. Seems a bit too big a possiblity to be overlooked by folks. At least you would expect a denial or soeone to ask PArty POker point blank if they are using BOTS.

Your Sample Sizes Are All Insignificant. Do Any Of You Understand What That Means? Do Any Of You Undertand The Concepts Of Probability? Standard Deviation? Variance? The "long-run"?

A while back, 2 guys in Florida called the police to report they had been ripped off during a drug deal. If you are smart enough to recognize how stupid these two guys are, apply the exact same logic to reporting party poker. It's illegal to gamble in most states. Besides, as SAMPLE SIZE as so disingeniously implied, all you are WRONG because you can't "Prove" you were cheated. In fact, it is a statistical impossiblity to prove you have been cheated. That's right. You get pocket aces dealt to you 5 times in a row. Strange yes, outside the mathematical norms, yep, Statistically possible? Betcher ass. Let's review: you are involved in an illegal activity with a company that is outside the jurisdiction of everyone and no matter what happens, there is no way to prove you have been cheated cause SAMPLE SIZE is going to jump in and demonstrate how your losses are within "acceptable" variances.Party Poker is a web page with some software. Computer geeks call this a virtual company. It exists on the web. They could shut down party poker today and start up as pokermommas.com tomorrow.

A lot of big pots being lost or giving to people who stay in with next to nothing and bet like there is no tomorrow and end up winning on the River card, which by the way would be played with a slight delay. Played over 150 hands nothing to even bet on. I won the first time I joined and lost ever since. This site is not on the up and up stay away! Convinced they have their own players at every table. STAY AWAY!

I would rate it a 0 but they don't have 0. Lets see, the last hand I played, I had an AK and raised from early position, the only caller was the sb. the flop was AA5, THe sb raised at me, I raised him back, he reraised me, and I raised him back, next card was a 7, and wouldn't you know, he called the preflop with an A7 off, what miracle. Anyone with any poker skill, would have a good indication I had the AK, and would have just called, but to be reraised twice with A and low kicker, come on. The hands are rigged and the house players clean up. I can tell you a few hundred of these same stories, I know bad beats are a part of poker, but at party poker, 99% of the time, you are on the losing end of the bad beat, thats the odd part. Just a few hands before this one I had pp 7's flopped a full house, and a k comes on the river and my heads up opponent just happened to have KK, Two hands in a row I raised the ante and was called by the BB, and aces flopped both times, and I was flushed on the river, by the BB's, twice I was on the bb and caught 3 of a kind only to find that the ante raiser caught full houses. When I'm not in the hand, high pair wins, when I am in the hand I get reraised by someone with nothing who gets a magic river card, Its a constant series of bad beats which you are on the short end of the stick. There is only 1 true reaon this happens, they plant house player and rig the hands for them to win. And the really wird thing is they chase you to the river and always catch, if you played stupid like them, you get a nice slap in the face on a constant basis. There is just no explanation for so many other people to see the same thing, the site is totally rigged, and we were their suckers.

People bluff with rags more online and suck out because they do not have to look their oppopnent in the eye when they make terrible poker moves. Getting beat by A-7 with A-K is not that terrible. Happens all the time. Its a game of numbers and random probability. PP seems alright, but I only play low stakes. My only complaint is that once you go below 5 bucks your money is dead, until you deposit more. No free rolls either. As for online cheating, my answer is, where there is a will there is a way. Especially when millions of dollars are at stake.

Holy Sweet Hell...all of the people who are saying Party Poker is legitimate and the people losing are just whining and are terrible players, are those same joke players who are gut fishing every hand and pulling ridiculous rivers. I think everyone here knows how to play poker, and to sit down at these tables and compare them to every live game Ive been in and every TV game Ive seen is a freaking JOKE. I dont care if you're brain dead stupid, and just got your neck severed by a rusty tractor, NOONE plays 86 off suit for a 900 chip 1st position raise when there are 4 people left in a $200 tourney and the chip counts are about 3000 to 2400 to 2200 to 2100.......then the flop comes out A A 10.........then I bet all my chips with an A J.....he calls with nothing, and pulls 2 running diamonds to get a flush. That doesnt happen. Ever. Period. And if you think that was the first time.....wrong.....that was the 2nd to last in a losing run of 14 straight tournaments where I put all my chips in EVERY SINGLE TIME BUT ONCE WITH THE BEST HAND.....LITERALLY. Two times out of those 14, the guy calls with a one card gutshot straight draw with 1 card left. And guess what card came on the river both of those times. Probably the worst thing I ve ever seen though, was in a stud game(and I realize stud players stay with anythying and everything)....but I had 3 aces showing(yes I said 3 aces showing on the first three board cards)....a guy called me all the way down.......we were the 2 chip leaders....here were his cards in order.....9 2 J 3 6 5(no flush draws by the way....none at all).....and the last card....does anyone know what it could possibly be?....if you said 4, then youve played at Party Poker before. Called me down for all 2400 of his chips with a pile of crap I wouldnt use to scrape the dog crap off my sidewalk with. And, if it matters, I am still up $700 overall since I started, so to all those morons who dont see anything weird with Party Poker, I'm not dead broke and just whining, and I probably have notes on every one of you.....reading: "This guy is the freaking dumbest thing Ive ever seen....I mean, are you kidding me....he called with (name your cards) when the board showed(name the board)...I am going to find this guy and rip his teeth out and beat his robot head in with them." Literally, if the cards went the way of the odds, just 60% of the time, I would be up there with shaunyboy and his $32,000. This site is a complete joke. I tell myself ever time I get on that the odds have to work themselves out after a while.....they never have....I have had to grind my way through limit sessions so many times to keep my money total up after jackasses pull rivers on me in every big tourney I play. I have logged about 5,000 hours on this site, constantly getting jammed by people calling monster bets on the come and drawing out every time. I know poker, I know odds, I know jokes....and this site is a complete joke. But it sure is fun when you win on morons calling that same stuff and not pulling it on you.....so I keep playing until I lose money.

Oh and by the way, if you are having any problems with your account, talk to Mihjad Mehosapitapetilan in the customer service department. He is very helpful.....as long as you are fluent in the Mid East Coptic languages of the dead era.

Oh, and DuckbombTom is right on.....if some guy played that 86o against my AJ that close to the money in a live game like he did, I would sacrifice my job, my life, my wife and kids, to jump over the table and plunge my fountain pen into his dirty river rat jugular. Have a great day everyone!

The river is not shady you are a bunch of annoying paranoid fucktards. Learn math and get a basic understanding of probabilities. However, party poker will freeze your account if you make a mistake depositing or something and its a real pain in the ass. so it gets a 9.

My note on you, ILoveClOCKS: "Plays all inside straight draws to the river....this guy is a complete joke who thinks he's good"

Lets see, I had a suited AK in the early position right off the button, raised the ante, and was called by the SB. The flop, A5A, excellent.The SB bets at me, even better, I raise him, he reraises me, I raise him back. The turn a 7, he bets at me, so I just call him, and the river a 2, same bets. He flips over his A7 off. So he beats me with an A7 off. I know the PP scenerio, if I had the A7 off, I would have lost the hand with the low kicker, but this is Rigaroma, we are talking about, and once he kept raising me after the flop, I knew, that I had him beat after the flop, and he would somehow beat me betwen the turn and the river, that is how the rig is played on this site. I agree, poker has its bad beats, but the truly amazing thing at Party Poker, is, you are 99% of the time on the losing end of the bad beat. I have had this scenerio repeat over and over and over again. If you want to know who the planted players at a table are, thats easy, just say that party poker is rigged, and watch them jump out of their seats defending it. Why would a site that makes so much money on a rake do this, you might ask, well I guess the answer is simple, Greed ! Do you think the site is run by a group of honest alter boys ? Or, can it be a bit sinister ? Look at the largest jackpot they ever had, lets see now,Lucky1lucky1 lost the hand to zzzzz69, hmmm, what names, wonder how long it took the site to make up those 2 names, at least they had enough of a sense of hunor to throw in the 69, kind of an ironic way of saying they just screwed everyone. I can list hundreds of hands I played that were beaten with nothing, AA with preflop raise called only by the BB with 10 2 off, whats the flop, 722, AK preflop raise 2 hands in a row, called onyl by the BB, and both times the BB got flushes with suited 72, and suited 63. KK called by AJ off, lost to runner runner diamonds. The list is so extensive, and to look at all these hands is almost humorous. The last and final hand I played before I deleted the site, I had high pair, with 4 hearts, which also gave me a flush draw in a NL torny, The bb made a small bet after the turn, and I went all in, he called my bet, and the river card gave him an inside str, he had nothing whatsover when he called an all in, and then he says, boy did I get lucky. Well, its funny, cause there are an awfyl lot of people calling down great hands with nothing, and magically getting lucky, and if you should try chasing a hand on this site, I guarentee you, you will not be so lucky. Are these just bad players, playing gawd awful cards getting lucky, I don't think so, why are the humna players, always the ones getting badly beaten ? Its very simple, they prerig the hands, they plant house players at the tables, and they get lucky at an astronomical rate. There isn't anyone sitting there looking over PP's site, so they can do whatever they like, and they are, period. Anyone defending this site, is working for them.

I've gotten the same bad beats at pokerstars too. However at Party poker, I've won a 100 hold'em tourney for $6000 and a $12600 package for the WPT cruise in March - so how can I complain? If you feel the table raked games are rigged - don't play them.. However, I have had lots of success in the touneys and there is no rake for the site to steal. Learn to enjoy the site for what it is or go to your local casino and play at a live table.

I'm going to say that the site is horrible on account of its mediocre software, horrible support, and insanely loose players. I don't buy the accounts of cheating and bots and so on, but even with that, it's probably not worth your time unless you enjoy **really** loose games. I gave up on the site after realizing that I had to spend an hour to find a table that wasn't too loose for my taste. 50,000+ users and about 12 of them know how to play a good, fun game of poker.

I have watched the same awful beats for a couple of months now on this site. So I did a survey of players at my tables. I don't really see any reason for them to lie, so here are the results. Out of 210 players only 7 said they had cashed out more than $200. Only 3 said that they were actually ahead. These were $10 tables. If more were ahead, I would think that they might want to brag about it, but maybe not. This is the big secret of online poker. Someone needs to have a site where people honestly post their statistics, and watch for casino employees posts like I see here. Survey tables often where you play and let's shut down the cheaters.

I was playing 7 card hi/lo today and had 8,7,5,4,A for lo, and didn't get the Lo pot (1/2 the pot), but the hand that got it had 8,7,5,3,2. I have screen shots to prove it. I e-mailed PP and have yet to hear back from them. I have often thought they were rigged, and this just proves it to me. If their computers can make this simple of a mistake, what other mistakes are they making? I asked the table what had happened and only one guy responded and said that I should have had the Lo hand.

I started my first real money play on this site. It is amazing how many times pocket pairs are dealt out together. Although people complain about the flushes etc, the biggest flaw you will immediately notice is in this hands where there are 2 pair on the board (a person at table will have the high full house and one with the low end), 4 card straights on the board, and 4 card flushes (someone will have the 2nd nuts and someone will have the nuts). This builds the pot. Whether this has anything to do with Party Poker being rigged I have no idea. I have wondered if the high stakes tables experience this. I imagine that not as many bad beats occur, but Party Poker's players in general are terrible. They chase and chase regardless of the bet. Take it as you will, but my money is now in Full Tilt Poker and Pokerstars.

i think its not real poker. regulated by indians. do these indians have a real casino or those fake pull tab slots (not random like a real slot)? too many hands with multiple pocket pairs. too many funny calls hitting miracles. These same players would be busted in 1 day real casino so how do they last online with faster play? If it was legit it would be ruled by a small group of really good players. I thought I was paranoid about losing after cashout, not anymore.

no longer regulated by indians. has moved to island of gibraltar

One thing for sure...have to agree w/ the guaranteed losing after a big win. Happend to many of my friends and myself...I did win $8,500 off a multitable though so who knows?

One more thing to support this bad player theory...get a REAL deck of cards and give yourself aces...Deal out a suited 9,10, an offsuit 10,j, and a suited K,Q and a pair of 8's...deal the flop and see how many times your aces hold up.

to be objective I thought people were full of it until the stuff started happening to me,disconnects happening at key times usually before enter in the money,I was told told that sometimes in 10 man rooms 2 to 3 players are computer generated players

So here's how it works according to a software friend. You get assigned a seat with a 1-10 ranking which is previously calculated by the computer as to the chances of winning. It gives you winning seats for a while, no matter what your hole cards are, plays about even for a while, and then you lose every match up no matter if you have AA every hand. Then you rebuy. The reason players play so loose is that miracle draws happen often when you are in your winning phase. This also keeps the bad players putting in more money. If you play brilliantly and happen to win, it just keeps giving you 1 or 2 ranked seats until you lose. If you have ever played on line casinos, you have probably senn the same thing.

so it is rigged

Tracie 8,7,5,3,2 is lower than 8,7,5,4,A. Just wondering how you figured you got low on that hand? Party Poker still SUCKS don't get me wrong but your wrong on that account.

this site is bad, i mean im up in last year playing here aroung 5,000 but i just cashed it all out, i notice so many bad beats against me that it is unreal, in ring games you have to play perfect to make any profit, better off to play there 30 speed tourneys and try to get lucky, warning stay away from this site i beleive they use prop players that they program to win and place one on every table taking 1 or 2 hands a round in addition to the rakeif anyone wants vivit me at pokerpromos.bravehost.com

I won 5 grand at party poker one night in a multi-table tournement, but here is the kicker. It was about five in the morning I had 2000 in chips and I was loaded. So i decided to just go all in until I lost. I played every bad hand you can think of. Before you know it I've got 35,000 in chips. At that point I was like play smart you got a shot here. The second I started playing smart my stack dropped back down to 5,000, so I said screw this and played dumb again and won the whole thing. Bottom line with party poker: I don't think they cheat, but I think there is a flae in their sortware. I win consistantly in 1/2 and 2/4 because players are so bad that it compensates for the bad beats. I also win in single table sit-n-go up to 10$ buy in. I recommend you stick to low limits and find the drunk suckers at two in the morning. That should off-set the bad beats.

P.S. The guy who posted about the hot and cold seats is right. I find that whenever I reach three times my bankroll ($50 buy-in in a 1/2 game = get out the second you hit $150) I start to lost everything back.

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This has to be the worst poker website out there. Im not bitter about CONSTANTLY getting cheated on the river at this website, but i will never put another dime into that site. The patterns others above are speaking of are true. Poor players are calling big bets w junks hands and win almost all the time against a very strong hand. Its sick. Try to trap someone on this site, and you will get burned everytime. Just dont play here.

I am running an expariment this weekend. I emailed Party Poker and asked them to close out my account entirly. I am going to open a new account under a new user name and make the initial deposit. I'll let you know if I get great cards teh first couple of days.

I began playing online poker about a year ago and my first poker site was PartyPoker. I have been playing there on and off the entire time. My experience with this site has been "normal". When I began I lost approx. $400 playing $.50/$1.00 over the course of several months. Bad beats, YES, why?, because I didn't know how to play poker. I thought I did but boy was I wrong! The reason I was getting "bad-beated" was because I was in the showdown way too much! I should have gotten out much earlier. After reading and studying several books, playing other sites, (Pacific, Emipre, Paradise) I am much better now and am back to even and making money. Not much, but steadedly winning money. Are my bad beats any fewer, yes. It is because I don't go to river as much as I used too. I have found the card dealing at PartyPoker to be very consistant the entire time I have played there. I have runs of bad luck, runs of good luck and steady runs of win some/lose some but all in all the cards have always seemed to be "normal" with respect to what you would think poker hands should be. I continue to play at PartyPoker because it is a break from the other sites I play on. It is no worse and certainly no better than the others. I don't particularly like the looks of the table and I certainly don't like the fact you don't know the percentage of flops seen. Cash outs have been excellent for me and I do not seem to be punished if I do cash out. The software is adequate but not on par with Paradise for instance. Games are fairly loose and the competition is average. Just realize you are playing against some bad players and when they get lucky you get mad. It's not necessarily the dealers fault. I prefer to play with players who know something about the game. You can predict them better and manipulate them easier if necessary. The word bluff is not in the vocabulary at Party and Pacific. It won't work with these players. Just play solid, tight poker and you will probably win. It won't be as much fun as playing half your hands but more profitable. Another negative is the fact that I have found that the server is not as stable as Paradise. You will experience times when you are kicked off-line and the server will have to reconnect you. Sometimes it can't. Seldom to you need to get back into the system. When I have been playing at PartyPoker, Pacific and Paradise at the same time I experience the same effect at Pacific at the same time I do at Party but do not experience this at Paradise. Paradise must have a more stable server. Overall my experience at Party has been acceptable, not great! I will continue to play there if nothing changes.

Party poker has the best graphics and it is the most organized site on the web....I am a professional poker player and i can gaurentee this site is rigged...I have been calld by fish with abosultely nothing on the flop and turn and they catch a str8 on the river...Once in a while it will always happen, but this happens way to much ...I have complained to party poker and they have sent me money, they do this because they know I am right ....Believe me people, party poker is fixed one way or another, and i can gaurentee they have people working for them at tables....Nothing could convince me otherwise, and i believe everyone on this site posting the positives about party poker are working for them to keep there image up....Dont risk it, play on poker stars and try to stay away from party poker...BELIEVE ME...I have cashed out $2000 in party poker and didnt lost much, but it was discusting how much more money I should of won....